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WaveMotionGirl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bmthGvmeCtk#!

This video is just golden. Bringing up how many major restaurants don't give their employees sick days makes the earlier complaint from restaurant chain CEOs about how they'd have to fire workers for in order to pay for employee healthcare . God forbid they make their enormous salaries slightly less enormous so we can all live a little more decently, be it in wages, health care, or just not having the flue epidemic spread through out food more than it has to.
WaveMotionGirl
*Bringing up how many major restaurants don't give their employees sick days makes the earlier complaint from restaurant chain CEOs about how they'd have to fire workers for in order to pay for employee healthcare all the more funny and yet sad.
WaveMotionGirl
And before anyone says it, yes, the video is a few months old. Doesn't make the point any less relevant.
Tzion
I agree that corporations should take better care of their employees, within the limits of profitability. However, I think laws to that effect are anathema to a free and prosperous society. Generally labor and market regulations have deleterious consequences beyond the mere infringement upon liberty of contract.
WaveMotionGirl
So, you're saying there's a problem, but screw actually doing anything about like other industrial democratic nations have. Please tell this to, say, Germany, Canada, and Denmark. Someday, maybe their citizens can have the "freedom" to die in the street like a dog because they didn't win the sperm lottery to be born a Walton heir. We're so close to that freedom; it's exciting!
Tzion
I said laws are not the solution, not that there isn't one. Really, laws are the problem. They deter progress and prevent social mobility.

And technically, you have the PRIVILEGE to die in the street like a dog, since there is no right or freedom to establish or use "public" property. I should also note that the privilege of public property is not always lawfully granted, as it would normally require the unanimous consent of the population that supports it.
Sirius
Because people are dying in the street.

You talk about a 'sperm lottery', but fail to mention the guns that would be taken to enforce such measures. I guess the guys who are holding the guns really won the great sperm lottery. I love how Kefkaeque the world has gotten.

I right now work a minimum wage job and my payroll taxes just increased out of the goodness of everyone's hearts.

The way that Poland got rid of tyranny is that everyone stopped working. That is right, all the people who produce in society and pay taxes just stopped or moved. It will eventually come down to that in the near future as a remedy to stop rampant taxation.
WaveMotionGirl
You, my friends, have never read the constitution or heard of a subject known as the commons.

You do realize violent revolution never work? It only works on foreign threats. Hence, we were able to win our independence from the British, yet the French revolution failed. Modernly, look at the Egypt, which took down their despot in nonviolent protest with less than 30 martyrs. Meanwhile, the battle in Syria rages on. Revolutions are retaliated in kind, guns with guns, and politics with politics. Politics we can win, but your Ar-15 isn't gonna help you against a tank.
WaveMotionGirl
Also, Tzion, are you familiar with a book called The Jungle by Upton Sinclair? It was written in 1906, about the meat packing industry, but we're hardly any better off now.
WaveMotionGirl
Also, keep in mind that your the Libertarian paradise. Your dream of a country where the only functions of the government are courts and police? It exist, and it's called Somalia.
Yodelman
Mmmm, delicious Fanservice argument.
Tzion
Reductio ad Somalium.
Yodelman
Tzion, there's someone new on fanservice. What if she becomes more popular than me? Will I not be cool anymore?
Sirius
Somehow Somalia, which is ruled by warlords (statists in their purist form), is a libertarian paradise even though libertarians preach the nonaggression principle. Some how rampant statism disproves libertarian ideals.

I don't think you really know what libertarianism is.

Also Upton Sinclair is a Yellow Journalist. He admits he made up the Jungle. So much for that argument.

Tanks are a really fun argument. If you love the state use of tanks, go back to Tiananmen Square.
Sirius
> Yodelman ever thinking he was cool.
Yodelman
I have swag!
WaveMotionGirl
Show me a successful "limited" government, Sirius.

I can show you world leading social democracies.
Sirius
Leading how? Using cheap Chinese consumer goods to prop up decaying economies? Printing money to try to sustain the unsustainable. All the central banks are inflating their currencies to bail out their failing social programs. This is going to result in a global depression.

We will see where your 'leading social democracies' are in 20 years. They are about to go the way of the Weimar Republic.
Sirius
The US used to be a bastion of limited government and prosperity if you wanted an example. Rampant statism has sucked away the engine of economic success, the entrepreneur.
Sirius
> The only swag Yodelman has is brony swag.
Yodelman
I'm not a brony. Just a fan.
Tzion
China didn't even become an industrial leader until they switched to market socialism from state socialism. Their economy has less regulation than ours does. Of course, their civil liberties are appalling, but that doesn't stop people from creating ridiculous amounts of business to earn a buck.

And there's no such thing as a successful limited government, but there have been successful societies with limited governments. The US in the late 1800s for example. Real wages, living conditions, life expectancies, and specialization increased steadily, while cost of living, hunger, poverty, and disease went down. All after massive post-Reconstruction deregulation and with laissez-faire policies (with the sole exception of tariffs).
Sirius
My current state of Illinois is a prime example of a 'social democracy'. 1/3 of all people are living at or below the poverty line, 50+ years of Democrat rule, obscene benefits for state employees, no jobs.

Where I am currently living is proof enough of the failures of Democracy and Statism.
Sirius
Right Tzion, many say that the United States was prosperous in spite of their trade practices.
WaveMotionGirl
My favorite example, Denmark, happiest nation on earth, hasn't bailed out a single bank, and is doing just fine, thank you very much. And they've only inflated their currency by 1.3% since 2009. Nothing is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Also, answer my previous question.

Oh, and, do you really every every country export all of out jobs and closed down all it's factories like America has?

Also, are you saying capitalism is a dead system? The " printing money to try to sustain the unsustainable. " sounds like it.
Kaitou
WaveMotion in a week managed to be cooler than I did in two years. I'll go cry in the corner with Yodel.
WaveMotionGirl
Sirius, are you really calling a state with a $8.25 minimum wage an example of social democracy? That's rich!
Sirius
Implying central banking is Capitalistic.


I know you hate the entrepreneur WaveMotionGirl. He cannot produce anything right? See to me, the entrepreneur is the real producer of society who creates jobs. Government is dependent on them to survive. Thus, the goal of any just government is to allow the entrepreneur to succeed. Of course, statism just leeches off the success of the entrepreneur and then condemning him as the bad guy who is at fault for all of society's ills.

Also, any inflation is theft, period. Only 1.3% pssh. They have to much exposure to the Eurozone and they will soon feel the effects of the Eurozone's collapse. Listen to some Peter Schiff why don't you.

If you love Denmark so much, move there.
Sirius
Well, do you realize Wave how many benefits, free healthcare all the state employees get? Do you realize that there are no jobs in Illinois? Why is that? I mean they have had unfettered Democratic rule for so long, we should be a poster child for a Democratic economy.

The US subsidizes Denmark's defense budget as well. They would not have all their luxurious social programs if the US pulled out of Europe tomorrow (which I hope we do).
Sirius
Well now you know how much I make an hour Wave. Also, my payroll taxes just went up. Hurray!!
Kaitou
are you guys mad at each other
or are you laughing it off
Sirius
I am half serious as my name suggests. I am just defending my opinions against an onslaught of statist education.

I mean I really can never take the 'move to Somalia' argument seriously by anyone. I know at that point they have lost the argument.
Tzion
If you have a national currency, you are not a capitalist country.

If you have a central bank, you are not a capitalist country.

If you have a government, you are not a capitalist country.
Yodelman
>Tzion's back

dis gun get gud
WaveMotionGirl
You think I don't want to. You think I can afford the plane ticket? I'm out of a job and can't find one because companies are legally allowed to fire me, and can turn me down, just because I'm transgendered. I live GEORGIA. Consider yourself lucky.

No human can live without society. You remind of an occupy protester who told me we didn't need the government, and we could start one of out own. We ARE the government. Democracy is not a spectator sport. Tyranny happens when enough good people do nothing.

Only even the bare essentials to live on? My mother was always part of the working poor, one of those "union thugs" and state employees you're talking about, a paraprofessional working with special education students. She makes less than a lot of fast food workers. Our roach infested house has been falling apart.

Don't confuse democracy with the democratic party, Sirius. Also, rule my ass.
Sirius
Yodel he is ignoring your challenge on purpose to further frustrate your attempts at challenging him.
Yodelman
fug :-DDDD
Sirius
Correction Wave, They, not we, are the government as Lew Rockwell says.

Firing happens. I have been fired before in Illinois, actually twice, for no reason. Society =/ government. That is the non sequitur that statist use to justify state violence.

If you have a pair of shoes, you are in the top 10% of the worlds wealthiest people. Consider yourself lucky. How about you become an entrepreneur and become successful with your own two hands. How empowering is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2rSJayL_c
Tzion
I'm from MS and I love it (not saying there aren't flaw, we have a State gov't, after all). But then again, I find anti-discrimination laws disgusting and barbaric. Only free exchange based on personal preference can create a stable, prosperous, and peaceful society for all people.
Sirius
Is WaveMotionGirl Egregious? I am sure they would become best friends on here.
Yodelman
>tfw straight, white, Christian male

suck my privilege
Sirius
Is WaveMotionGirl *similar* sorry.
Sirius
Yodel are you going to do this until Tavish deletes your picture?

I have yet to yield any of those privileges even though I too fall into all three categories.
Kaitou
Shut up yodel, tumblr is gonna rape you if you say that again
WaveMotionGirl
Though, we haven't had true democracy since Marbury v. Madison. Our supreme court justices are able to make laws without being elected by the people; they are our kings, if you want to name a tyrant of this government.

Also, since I know you're gonna go in this direction anyway, please give me your conveniently selective Adam Smith quotes on what you think capitalism is.

Also, what do you think a government actually is? And if you think you can survive without it, live in whatever wilderness is left in this world for a few years, and tell me how that turns out.
Yodelman
Sirius, I'm just staying to see this whole clusterfuck through to the end.

Kaitou, tumblr can suck my cock.
Kaitou
It will. It will suck your cock until it melts. And then it'll suck your legs and your arms until you're just a puddle of saliva.

I say all this, but tumblr can only do harm in text form.
Sirius
Yodel and Kaitou are like Kickhopper and Punchhopper to me. Yodel of course is Kickhopper.
Tzion
Haha, Adam Smith. Neither of us adhere to classical economics.

"All rational action is in the first place individual action. Only the individual thinks. Only the individual reasons. Only the individual acts."

- Ludwig von Mises, "Socialism"

You are conflating society with government. Any time two people interact there is society. Any time one demands some act of the other, there is government.
Sirius
Wave, I PMed you. Read the PM as I answer many of your questions.
Kaitou
You guys remember when this (http://gallery.fanserviceftw.com/post/view/12927) was the most poignant political pic
WaveMotionGirl
Sirius, looking at this egregious person, and foudn some his post while browsing the gallery earlier, he seems to say he's a gay male. Though he seems like a bisexual, since he posted a few degrading pictures of trans characters, labeling them traps, and had a thing for yuri. I doubt I'd be friends with the man.

I'm actually a lesbian, and I identify as a woman. I am mentally so.
Kaitou
Which Hopper is the coolest one? It's very relevant
WaveMotionGirl
Oh, thank you, Sirius! I'll check it right away!
Yodelman
That image. THAT FUCKING IMAGE.
WaveMotionGirl
You think this is bickering, Sirius? I'm sorry.I'm honestly holding nothing against any of you. I just want to have a discussion, a debate, and I thought that was what we were having, just a heated one. I think you're all likely a swell bunch of guys, who I just happen to disagree with. We can stop if you'd like, actually, I have a friend who wants to continue a roleplaying game we've been doing, so that'd be very nice.
WaveMotionGirl
Seeing the political nature of a lot of the images, I thought having a political discussion was something very open on the table.
Sirius
I was just letting you know that we are an open forum here and was just kidding around that debate. Nah, I was kind of put off that we were having a discussion and then I saw you said a bunch of kind stuff about me. I had to acknowledge what was going on was separate from you getting involved with our community. I let you know that even if things got heated, I do give out respect to people as I treat others the way I want to be treated.
Kaitou
sirius seriously which hopper is cooler, it's important. YODEL AND ME ARE RIVALS

in love
Yodelman
>Kaitou will never ride your dick into the sunset

feels
Sirius
Rivals with how? Kickhopper is the leader and they are the rivals to Kamen Rider Kabuto. Watch Kamen Rider Kabuto to get what I am saying.
Kaitou
yodel-chan yamete
Kaitou
Then Yodel is the leader, huh... I'll go back to crying in a corner
Yodelman
Can you just put it in terms of Insecticons?
Sirius
No, because Kamen Rider is a team of three and you all have yet to gain a 3rd member.
Yodelman
Kickback, Shrapnel, Bombshell

That's also a team of three.
Kaitou
What about Eri? I'm sure he was a friend to the two us. HE CAN TOTALLY BE MY UNDERLING
Yodelman
When will Eri come back?
Kaitou
AND THEN TEAM YODEL-KAITOU-ERI BATTLES TEAM TZION-SIRIUS-PHANGRY AND REALIZES HOW POWERLESS THEY ACTUALLY AND GO MASTER THE RIPPLE IN ITALY
Sirius
blah! I meant that Punch and Kickhopper were a team of two and the Insecticons are a team of 3.

Also, Kick and Punchhopper are awesome in their own ways. Mostly, you need to watch Kamen Rider Kabuto.
Kaitou
I don't know, Yodel. I don't know ;-;

Since Sirius is the oldest, he is Cars, Phangry is AC/DC and Tzion is Wham.
Sirius
Who is our Santana?
Kaitou
Crisu, I guess.

I'm fine being Caesar, so I gladly give Yodel the Joseph role
Sirius
Crisu is even older than me!
Yodelman
I'm lost.
Kaitou
I don't know who else was here from the start, you guys decide who is Santana.

Is the topic too......BIZARRE for you, Yodel?
Kaitou
sure is a great night to be on fanservice, huh. we should do this more often
Yodelman
I just have no idea what you're all discussing now.
Kaitou
It's FanfictionserviceFTW. Since I have some mental issues, I tend to do that. It might sound lame, but for me it's an ADVENTURE.
Kaitou
remember when
Yodelman
Neat.